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Economics / Inflation Aug 26, 2010 - 02:46 AM GMT

By: Nadeem_Walayat


Diamond Rated - Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleDelusional deflationists right from the Bank of England MPC, through to the mainstream press for well over a year have pushed the mantra of ongoing debt deleveraging deflation everywhere, everywhere that is than appears in where it counts i.e. the actual INFLATION indices, where inflation is on the rise right across the world as illustrated in the UK by the persistent failure of the Bank of England to control UK inflation that remains above the banks CPI 3% upper limit. Even Greece that really is in an depression is experiencing inflation at above 3%, whilst the US CPI continues to inflate at a more modest 1.2% as summarised below for key world economies.

Global CPI Inflation Rates

India 13.7%
Argentina 11.2%
Russia 5.5%
Brazil 4.6%
China 3.3%
UK 3.1%
Australia 3.1%
Euro zone 1.7%
USA 1.2%
Japan -0.7%

This is leaving aside the fact that the official inflation indices tend to under report real inflation rates as the methodologies have been manipulated LOWER over the decades so that governments can continue to stealth tax the population. For instance UK inflation as measured by the RPI which is the recognised measure for UK Inflation is at 4.8%, with my own real inflation rate measurement coming in at 6%. Whilst the U.S. CPI of 1.2% when measured on the basis of E.U. methodology that ignores Bush and Clinton tweaks comes in at 2.4% Then we have Mr Shadowstats who reports U.S. CPI inflation as being at 8.6% rather than the official 1.2%.

I warned of imminent UK and global inflation mega-trend way back in November 2009 (18 Nov 2009 - Deflationists Are WRONG, Prepare for the INFLATION Mega-Trend ), as deflationists fell into the trap the debt deleveraging deflation red herring, that completely missed the big picture that I attempted to elaborate upon in the 100 page Inflation megatrend ebook of January 2010 (FREE DOWNLOAD) that contained the specific trend forecast for UK CPI Inflation of Dec 09 (UK CPI Inflation Forecast 2010, Imminent and Sustained Spike Above 3%) as illustrated by the below graph against which the Bank of England has continually issued statements that high inflation was just temporary and would imminently fall throughout 2010, the reasons for which I touched on recently upon in the article The Real Reason for Bank of England's Worthless CPI Inflation Forecasts.

UK Inflation July 2010

Debt deleveraging deflation completely ignores the fact that we are NOT living in the 1930's, but in a GLOBALISED world economy that is seeing the CONVERGENCE of REAL GDP's where the developing world is EATING up the worlds resources at a faster pace then the west is cutting back on consumption thus DRIVING INFLATION HIGHER whilst at the same time the west is engaged in COMPETITIVE CURRENCY DEVALUATIONS in an attempt to GENERATE NOMINAL GDP GROWTH which has highly inflationary implications.

Governments attempting to inflate nominal GDP's through printing money and near zero interest rates so as to push people towards consumption rather than savings because banks are paying LESS in interest than even the phony official inflation rates. Thus people increasingly seek to hold anything other than negative interest rate paying devaluing fiat currency that can be printed in the trillions at the press of a button. Savers in the UK are realising this as INFLATION EATS a life time of accumulated savings. Workers are realising this as the flow of paper currency raises prices in the shops far greater than the flow of paper into their pay packets that is coming in at an average of 2% against CPI of 3.1%. The paper currency is losing value at a much faster pace than the official inflation statistics, people are waking upto this and will increasingly demand payment in terms of ability to track the price of goods and services not official indices therefore demand wage rises above official inflation indices and thus triggering the dreaded wage price spiral, which as the trend for the convergence of GDP per capital analysis as illustrated by the below graph (Inflation Mega-Trend Ebook Page 54) shows for most people will only be a nominal phenomena i.e. they will not actually be able to purchase more as they will be fighting a losing battle against REAL INFLATION.

The threat of Debt debt deleveraging deflation has INFLATIONARY consequences because the governments will not ALLOW for actual Price DEFLATION because it would INCREASE the real value of government debt therefore increases the risk of governments going bankrupt as the debt interest rises, when the real intention is to INFLATE the real value of debt away. INFLATION is also one of the governments most important stealth taxes on the people whilst DEFLATION acts as a subsidy TO the people i.e. their standard of living INCREASES during DELFATION as prices fall whilst inflation gives the illusion of increasing standard of living as workers are stealthily forced to work harder for less real pay despite increasing productivity.

Debt Interest Spiral Inflationary Trend Towards Hyperinflation

As warned off in November 2008 (28 Nov 2008 - Bankrupt Britain Trending Towards Hyper-Inflation?), the consequences of ever increasing debt mountain is the risk of igniting the debt interest spiral (03 Dec 2009 - Britain's Inflationary Debt Spiral as Bank of England Keeps Expanding Quantitative Easing), since 2008 the Labour government had bent over backwards to ignite an election boom (03 Jun 2009 - UK Economy Set for Debt Fuelled Economic Recovery Into 2010 General Election), so as to maximise its chances of winning the next election. the New government is attempting to bring the debt interest spiral to an halt but as the recent debt interest analysis (29 Jun 2010 - UK ConLib Government to Use INFLATION Stealth Tax to Erode Value of Public Debt ) concluded the Government will not only not be able to halt the accumulation of total debt during the next 5 years but that official debt as a % of GDP is expected to continue to rise to 72% of GDP as illustrated by the below graph which suggests significantly higher debt interest payments i.e. a significant worsening of the governments fiscal position which means MORE money printing despite a economic growth as total public sector net debt rises by 50% to £1.26 trillion (2013-13) from £784 billion (2009-10).

The Inflation Mega-trends

The official CPI inflation indices illustrate the facts of what has actually transpired during the whole period of deflation mantra for the past 18 months.

The actual trend for the UK has been of one of continuing accelerating inflation, where the great deflationary recession of 2008-2009 even barely a year on has become only vaguely visible as an inconsequential blip along the path of the Inflation Mega-trend. Do you see that little dip right at the very end of the above graph ? Well that inconsequential non event is yet again being taken by the mainstream press and Deflationists to run and cry deflation, just as every single minor downward blip during the past 18 months has been followed by something similar, if this type of reaction is not delusional than what is it ?

Meanwhile, the United States has experienced mild inflation since the Great Recession of 2008-2009 began with little overall change but with a positive trend. However this is set against the mantra of deflation that implies the complete opposite of what actually has transpired despite the worst recession since the Great Depression. So all of the talk of the U.S. being in deflation for the past 18 months has been delusional which does not match the reality of what actually has taken place and given the ongoing multi-trillion dollar deficits look set to feed a trend for a stagflationary economy for the U.S. for many years.

Delusional Deflationists Ignore CPI

Having been wrong on deflation in even the officially doctored CPI for the past year, delusional deflationists IGNORE this and any other indicator that implies inflation by picking and choosing any obscure measurements that implies deflation is taking place such as pricing assets in terms of the gold price to imply deflation is taking place when peoples food baskets i.e. the REAL WORLD show INFLATION is accelerating away from them, or in some cases implying that inflation is really deflation in disguise because of loss of purchasing power, which is the whole point of what inflation IS ! Where prices rise to erode the purchasing power of your savings and earnings! I hear weak economies mean deflation looms, well try telling that to Zimbabweans!

Do a simple personal inflation test, dig out your credit card statements from 1,2,3 years ago and see how much your food and energy bills have gone up and then you will know how much inflation has taken place during a period of perma deflation mantra. Never mind the amount average food baskets are destined to rise in price going forward!

Quantitative Easing / Money Printing

During 2009, Central Banks detonated the nuclear option of quantitative easing, the Bank of England will under the new governments regime seek to continue QE as part of its monetary policy. Central banks also have the bigger nuclear option of starting to charge banks interest on holding reserves at the central bank which would be highly inflationary as it would force banks to lend.

In the United States the prospects for QE2 ahead of the November mid-terms is growing and coming as a surprise to many quarters when it has been obvious since the first print run that once started money printing cannot be stopped whilst large budget deficits exist, which where the U.S. is concerned probably means continuing for the next 10 years at least as the U.S. is going to milk its reserve currency advantage to the fullest. So all the talk by the press earlier in the year that Q.E. had come to an end and would be unwound has been found out to be completely WRONG. Again, as I mentioned right at the start of QE in March 2009, once started money printing cannot be stopped whilst huge budget deficits exist EVEN AFTER RECESSIONS END. Therefore rather than be withdrawn or unwound, given the poor deficits outlook for the UK and US, we can expect QE to morph into a permanent feature of monetary policy.

The bottom line is that the QE already has yet to feed through to the financial system, i.e. UK £200 billion of money printing as a consequence of the fractional reserve system ultimately resolves into total money supply expansion of between £1 trillion and £4 trillion, which is highly inflation and already manifesting in what the Bank of England calls surprisingly high inflation and in the U.S. the $2 trillion of money printing to date looks set to be followed by at least another $1 trillion this year. So the seeds of high inflation have already been sown that will be reaped during the coming years.

Given the structure of the western economies, all that quantitative easing will do is to boost asset prices and emerging market economic growth and give an extra lift towards feeding the inflation mega-trend for many years.

Negative Real Interest Rates

At the end of the day the current situation of negative real interest rates is NOT deflationary it is INFLATIONARY as witnessed by official inflation indices that range between +2% to +4% rather than -2% to -4%.

Why ?

Because negative real interest rates erodes the confidence of people to hold fiat currencies. Workers are more eager to spend, savers are definitely more eager to seek escape from an obvious theft of value when banks are paying 2% against CPI of 3.1% and RPI of 4.8%. They are more likely to SPEND and invest in assets other than fiat currencies which is defacto reduction in the confidence of a population in holding the countries currency.

That's the reason why Gold is above $1200 rather than $600 that prominent permanently deluded deflationists have been espousing these past few years as to what 'should' happen.

The Myth of Japanese Economic Depression and Deflation

Deflationists in the mainstream press and BlogosFear constantly perpetuate the myth that Japan has been in a Deflationary depression since the housing and stocks bubble burst in early 1990. One would imagine that the Japanese economy is perhaps 30% smaller with prices 30% cheaper given the repetitive mantra . But what about the facts ? The facts are that the Japanese economy has NOT crashed by 30% i.e. in depression during this time period but grown in virtually every year up until the 2008 global recession to stand at a GDP of some 20% higher than where it was when the bubble burst.

Price Deflation ? - Another myth. Despite the fact that innovation and increases in productivity should drive prices down, Japan's consumer prices have have not fallen but are in fact marginally higher than where they were in early 1990. Therefore what Japan has experienced is stable prices NOT DEFLATION.

Yes Japanese asset prices, namely stocks and real estate have suffered greatly, however this is as a consequence of the bursting of the bubbles that saw prices TRIPLE during the preceding 5 years that turned safe assets such as houses into over bid gambling casino chips that were priced to discount a perpetual never ending boom. Therefore prices fell to reflect reality such as that it was ridiculous for the city of Tokyo in 1990 to be priced to have a greater value then the whole of the United States!

So when you hear about the US following a Japanese style deflationary depression, what you really need to understand is that it is for one of low economic GROWTH with STABLE prices. However the USA is NOT going to follow that model as the USA does not have the demographics of a shrinking ageing Japanese population which really SHOULD result in DEFLATION and a contraction in GDP which Japan through continuous innovation has NOT suffered. If there are far less workers generating MORE economic output then is that really an economic depression?

Commentators have been pointing to Japanese Debt soaring to now stand at 200% of GDP as highly deflationary when the OPPOSITE is true, as when the japanese debt bubble bursts which it surely will, then it will be highly inflationary if not hyper inflationary as Japan is forced to wipe out the value of its debt

Japanese the Real Gold Bugs

Whilst in the west buying gold for wealth preservation has yet to impact on ordinary people to any significant degree, ordinary Japanese recognising their ever growing debt mountain would ultimately destroy the Japanese currency were buying gold nuggets from their local gold dealers in preparation for hyper inflation 5 years ago! Needless to say despite that not having happened to date, the Gold price rising to $1250 reflects the increased global risks of debt bubbles bursting into high inflation.

Bottom Line - There has been no Japanese Deflation or Economic Depression. Western countries such as the UK and the USA are NOT Destined to follow the Japanese experience as their demographics are primed both for greater nominal GDP growth and price inflation.

Delusional Deflationists Point to Treasury Bond Market to Illustrate Deflation

Deflationists point to imminent deflation and a double dip recession by pointing to the treasury bond market yields plunging towards the credit crisis lows whilst at the same time continuing an 18 month mantra of the stocks bear market rally whose end is always imminent with the most recent plethora of commentary concluding that it has ended (again) and the bear market has resumed.

However the facts are that it is bonds and not stocks are in a bull market that is coming to the end of its life and entering the final manic stage that tends to see markets go parabolic. I am sure in recent weeks you have heard at length as to why bond investors are smarter and thus why the bond rally will go on and on, to me that sounds a lot like the tek stock investors during 1999, they too saw themselves as very smart just as the bubble popped. Every bubble participant thinks its different for them than every other bubble that's popped before, however it NEVER IS! The bond market investors are in total denial of the fact that the U.S. is firmly on the path towards bankruptcy because the US has given NO SIGN that it intends on bridging the forecast $200 trillion fiscal gap between future revenues and liabilities, a gap that can ONLY be filled by printing huge amounts of money triggering very high INFLATION, which will DESTROY the real value of bonds as in purchasing power terms they will just become confetti paper. Against this stocks that consistently pay high dividends can be expected to retain much of their purchasing power, where my focus is on dividend paying stocks because it is more difficult to engage in corporate fraud Enron style if a company is actually making dividend payments.

The Global Bond Market Bubble

The key drivers for the global bond market over the past 20 years has been China and other emerging markets such as India exporting deflation abroad as they industrialised and produced ever cheaper goods and services to drive down costs thus enabling prices in the west to fall, this has now reversed where China is exporting inflation abroad as its workers now start to demand a higher standard of living and the country increasingly looks towards domestic consumption to generate economic growth. On top of this we have the ever expanding supply of bonds that no matter what the central bankers state is not going to diminish (pay down the debt) for either the UK, USA or most of the developed countries during the next 5 years at least.

The 30 year treasury bond market graph shows a clear long-term uptrend punctuated by several speculative spikes higher amidst's a so called dash for safety during 2008 and at the present time though there is no Lehman style crisis on the horizon, that just as 2008 resolved towards a swift plunge back towards the long-term trendline so will the current bond market rally just as the mainstream media becomes most vocal in its commentary for bonds being a safe haven destination for investors. If the 20 year bull market trend pattern persists then further upside is limited in favour of a trend that targets a move to $USB 120 to 115 over the next 9 months. So those that have bought during the past 6 months are going to be sitting on losses in about 6 months time.

The 20 year graph for US treasury bonds as a proxy for the Global Government Bond Market bubbles has investors drowning in delusional deflationist ideology that suggests bond prices can keep rising ever higher, when the actual fact is that the bond market is very close to a significant reversal point. This is a manifestation of the reinforcement of belief that this time it is different for this bubble, just as the housing market bubble participants thought that house prices would keep rising for ever because it was different, and before then the dot com bubble could not be priced on the basis of what had gone before because the Internet meant that this time it really was different - IT NEVER IS DIFFERENT!

Off course one of the best inflation mega-trend hedges are Index Linked Government Bonds, and up until recently NS&I Index Linked Certificates, as the new government pulled the plug on these inflation hedges due to the fact that they are paying out 6% per annum TAX FREE, RISK FREE to savers during 2010 and rising to 7% during 2011. Against which the bankrupt tax payer bailed out banks cannot compete that typically pay less than 2.5% that is TAXED at 20% or 40% depending on ones tax band. For 50 pages on how to protect your wealth Download the FREE Inflation Mega-Trend Ebook

The Bottom Line - The global economy is not contracting it is growing by a decent 4.1% this year with similar 4%+ growth for 2011, the emerging markets are more than picking up the slack for the weakly growing western economies as a consequence of high levels of debt AND converging GDP per capita. This ensures that upward pressure on inflation will remain for western economies despite the downward pressure on real wages as the living standards of the east and west converge. For the west this means high inflation as governments attempt to inflate nominal GDP and wages to give the illusion of growth whilst in the east there will be currency appreciation coupled with strong economic growth and higher inflation that will be exported to the west.

What Investors Should Do

The U.S. Fed and the Bank of England are going to keep printing money which is a big positive for asset prices such as stocks. For investors the strategy remains to invest in inflation wealth protection and growth such as agricultural commodities, gold, silver, metals and mining, TIPS, emerging economies such as China, India, Russia, Chile, Brazil, and developed economies such as Australia and Canada as their appreciating currencies will protect your investments purchasing power in sterling and dollars as covered at length in the Inflation mega-trend ebook (FREE DOWNLOAD).

The Protectionism Disaster Scenario

The disaster scenario is for that of one of protectionism to take hold which will fail to stop the trend towards convergence of GDP per capita between east and west, but it will result in a smaller economic pie i.e. global economic contraction, economic depression in the west and price deflation. This means the west would suffer whilst the east grows much more slowly. Protectionism would be a lose, lose outcome for all. The only real strategy the west has is to resign itself towards slow but sustainable economic growth as the emerging markets continue to grow to fill the huge gap in development that still exists between west and east.

Interest Rate Rises To Feed the Debt Interest Spirals

The debt interest payment pressures are set to accelerate as interest rates are forced to rise as a consequence of bond markets baulking at ever increasing supply of debt and rising inflation, UK short-end real rate interest rate of -2.6% is just NOT sustainable. Over the past 18 months borrowers have become drunk on extremely low interest rates (even if the banks are not fully passing them on) whilst inflation has started to rage in the UK during 2010 punishing savers and rewarding borrowers to entice them to take out even more debt.

What to Expect in the Future

The Bank of England WILL RAISE INTEREST RATES AND PRINT MONEY - This is contrary to anything you will hear anywhere else as the consensus view is that QE and Zero interest rates are complimentary, they will NOT be as we move forward! Because the Bank of England Will have no choice but to attempt to DEFLATE PRICES whilst INFLATING the Economy to achieve this it MUST RAISE Short-term Interest rates WHILST KEEPING LONG-TERM interest rates low. To achieve this the Bank of England needs to BUY Bonds and Stocks whilst forcing demand for consumption and wage increases lower. This WILL become the consensus view AFTER the FACT, perhaps in 6 months time ? Just as the mainstream press is ONLY NOW, 9 months on, starting to slowly wake up to the Inflation Mega-trend with the likes of the FT only coming to conclusions on the Bank of England Inflation targeting very recently, something that I came to several years ago!

FT - FT audit casts doubt on Bank’s forecasts - 9th August 2010

The forecasts used by the Bank of England to set interest rates are biased and contain little useful information, a Financial Times audit has demonstrated.

Nadeem Walayat - Bank of England's Worthless 2% 2Year CPI Inflation Forecasts - 14th August 2008

The Bank of England's in depth 48 page quarterly inflation report published yesterday concludes with the forecast for UK CPI inflation to be at 2% in 2 years time. Since the Bank of England first adopted the 2% CPI inflation target back in 2003, the Bank has perpetually made the same forecast for 2% CPI in two years time, and nearly always missed the target by a wide margin. Clearly there is something wrong in the banks procedures which appears to deliver the motions of generating paper work such as the 48 page report, followed by pats on the back rather than an effective response to the failure to meet the Banks primary objective.

The full implications of debt and the inflation mega-trend on interest rates as the UK economy recovers will be covered in my next in depth analysis, ensure you are subscribed to my always free news letter to get this in your email in box.

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Dexter Bland
26 Aug 10, 20:22
inflation AND deflation?

inflation AND deflation?

Why couldn't we have a situation of inflation in the developing world, and deflation in the developed simultaneously? That seems to be what's being observed, and makes perfect sense. Wage arbitrage means jobs and investment are flowing towards the developing world, incomes are rising and consumption is growing. The reverse is true in the developed world. Higher demand for resources from the developing world are keeping industrial commodity prices strong (but not breaking out to new highs), and these connect the economies. But this is of little consequence in the developed world where economies are far less resource and energy intensive than they once were.

I can't comment on the situation in the UK, but the "two-speed economy" has been the reality in Australia for many years, with resource rich states booming, investment strong and inflation high, while the rest of the country has stagnated in near recession as a consequence of the necessary monetary policy, and strong AUD.

26 Aug 10, 20:24
inflation AND deflation?

Because the governments in the west won't allow for deflation. They just will not contenance deflation which is evidenced by ALL of their policies that are geared towards inflation economies and asset prices.

28 Aug 10, 15:25
Inflation? Where?

The US has not "allowed" house price deflation since 2005. How is that working out for them? They have zero control. None. The Fed is a toothless wonder at this point. They can talk smack but that's all they have. Talk. Sure prices can go up for things like food and energy because they are very sensitive to the whims of supply and demand. They can also go down fast for those very reasons. Big ticket items with debt attached to them (real estate, cars, etc) have been and will continue to deflate due to debt destruction and a lack of willingness to spend by the common man. Why buy a house now when everyone knows it will be cheaper tomorrow? The days of buying a house as a Freedom 55 retirement savior are over. Every bubble that the Fed has created in the last 15 years has burst and they have run out of things to inflate. We have had our high inflation era (what else would you call real estate and stock price rises of 25% per year for a decade?) but that's over now and deflation is in our future. Sheesh these inflationistas have been saying "Hyperinflation! Any day now! We swear!" for the past 5 years. They have been wrong and will continue to be wrong. Apparently the bond market agrees with me and sees nothing but deflation as far as the eye can see.

28 Aug 10, 15:29


First you need to understand what inflations is, which is the general price of goods and services in an economy.

Stocks and housing whilst inflation senstive in the long-run are NOT goods and services but ASSETS.

The above US CPI inflation graph clearly shows that the US has experiecned inflation of 17% over the past 5 years.

28 Aug 10, 21:17

Nadeem said

"First you need to understand what inflations is, which is the general price of goods and services in an economy."

This is what most people think as well, however "inflation is an increase in the supply of money and credit". The increase in prices is an EFFECT of this money/credit inflation and that is a big difference. Money and credit supply changes come first, price changes follow.

In the US the supply of money and credit has turned down sharply, DEFLATION. The effect, lower prices for goods and services must naturally follow. This is what governments fear most because as deflation kicks in, the ability of all creditors, individuals/corporations/governments to service their interest debt diminishes thus feeding further into the deflationary loop of credit destruction.


28 Aug 10, 22:47
Inflation definition

"inflation is an increase in the supply of money and credit".


The increase in the supply of money is the MONEY SUPPLY.

And credit is NOT Money, there is no 1 to 1 relationship where the increase or decrease of one will equal the other.

Inflation or deflation is what the direction of general prices is in the economy.

The trend of money supply is one (important) element for determining inflation or deflation - ONE ELEMENT, just as GDP is, just as house prices are, just as stock prices are, just as retail sales are, just as interest rates are , just as the velolicity of money is, just as unemployment is, just as the budget deficit is, just as the trade deficit is, just as the currency trend is, just as....

money supply / credit is NOT inflation it is ONE component of the trend. This is why the deflationsist are delusional because they are fixated on an component, just as those that look only at house prices falling and cry deflation, or the stock market rising and cry inflation, neither are inflation or deflation though they do have an impact ON inflation.

This is why 'some' popular deflationists have been wrong for a DECADE NOW !

Again the money supply is neither a leading or lagging indicator, it is a COMPONENT OF INFLATION.

Therefore sometimes it is seen to lead at other times it is seen to have NO relevance to what happens to inflation which is what one would expect of a component.

Which is why you can have very high money supply but still have DEFLATION and have very low or falling money supply but still have INFLATION.

The MOST important single determinent for Inflation for economies such as the UK and USA is GDP NOT the Money Supply !

My focus is the uk economy, which is correctly experiencing high inflation that is coming as a total suprise to ALL including the Bank of England downwards....

29 Aug 10, 01:35
Prechter Deflation


How do you reconcile your inflation trend against Robert Prechter's forecasts for deflation and depression ?

29 Aug 10, 01:36
Prechter deflation

Why would I need to reconcile anything ?

There is no deflation so in my opinion Prechter is wrong, and its not my job to explain why prechter is wrong.

29 Aug 10, 03:22
Deflation and bear market

the writing is on the wall and you are going to have so much egg on your face over the next 12 months. I subscribe to an unbiased intelligent service unlike your rant. Being so one sided and adamant to the "stealth bull" market and inflation scenario is setting you up for a huge failure if you are wrong laddie.

29 Aug 10, 05:48

58 of 58 economists were overly optimistic on the Philly Fed manufacturing estimate, expecting +7 when it actually came in -7.7.

This comes after 42 of 42 economists were wrong on the unemployment report, expecting an improvement when instead we got a worsening.

Right now analysts are expecting a year-end S&P of 1235.

all analysts are bullish and across the board their current estimates are almost exactly 10% higher than their price targets at the start of the year:"

29 Aug 10, 19:18
Inflation Mega-trend
The inflation mega-trend is manifesting itself right on cue

UK Inflation July 2010

And the stock market trend for 2010 is not too far off expectations of where it would be by now.

DOW Stock Market Forecast 2010

The bottom line - the primary purpose for my analysis is to personally profit from high probability trends and NOT to tell paid subscribers what they want to hear. Bagpus feel free to ignore my next indepth analysis that will seek to map out the stock market trend for the next few months.

Dexter Bland
30 Aug 10, 19:36
both inflation AND deflation

"Because the governments in the west won't allow for deflation. They just will not contenance deflation which is evidenced by ALL of their policies that are geared towards inflation economies and asset prices."


That may be the case in the UK but there is already a growing resistance to this in the US. The Democrats are looking like losing their grip on Congress, they've been unable to pass new stimulus measures and Bernanke is even coming up against some resistance within the Fed. The deflationist story that we just can't keep printing money, and growing debts is gaining traction with ordinary people. It seems to becoming almost a patriotic cause that a depression is needed to pay for past excesses. This is just a trend I have been observing recently in the US. Like you I try not to become wedded to ideas or colour them with my own thoughts or opinions on what are appropriate policy actions. I don't pay much attention to Prechter's thoughts on market timing (like most he gets it right sometimes and gets it wrong more often), but socionomics might be able to offer some explanations for a shift taking place.

Your CPI figures to me show both inflation AND deflation as I hypothesized. If you exclude the UK, CPI is anemic or negative in the developed world. It is possibly only demand from the developing world spilling over into these numbers that keep them positive at all. But that is the wild card in all this, because for every debtor there is a creditor, and for every job lost in the developed world, several are created in the developing world. The social mood in Asia is also very different to the US and incomes are on the rise. At some point a new equilibrium will be found.

05 Sep 10, 02:57
May this insight be useful to you in your year end dji previsions.

Share with whomever if you feel it is appropriate to do so, but I am highly confident in the numbers outlayed below:

Here is a dow sequence that I just decoded as per Nadeem Walayat's past articles and by the use of intuitive knowledge (particularly numerology); I know the exact sequence that will be unfolding over the next couple weeks/months.

As demonstrated below, the sequence is valid for the upcoming four months

-Current phase from Friday August 27th to end of the week (September 9th or 10th) = 10 000 to 10 700 (DJI up 700)

-Early next week (September 13th) to approximately Thursday September 16th = 10 700 to 10 475 (DJI down 225)

-Around Friday September 17th to approximately Monday - Tuesday October 11th or 12th = 10 475 - 11 200 (DJI up 725)

-Mid Week around October 13th to Monday November 1st = 11 200 to 10 725 (DJI down 475)

-Beginning of November to end of the year 2010 = 10 725 - 12 500 (DJI up 1775)

Here is a similar sequence I have encoded for gold:

-Around Monday September 6th to approximately Friday September 17th or Monday September 29th = 1250$ - 1207.5$ (Gold down 42.50$)

-Late September or early October unto end of October = 1207.50$ - 1305$ (Gold up 97.5$)

-First two weeks of November = 1305$ - 1255$ (Gold down 50$)

-From mid-November until the end of the year 2010: 1255$ - 1375$ (Gold up 120$)

-I've got a target for my long crude positions at 42 before selling and going short with a target at 38.5 before heading back up to reach a target between 50 and 55$ a barrel by year's end.

-I've got a target for nat gas at 6$ by January or February 2011.

I will set everything up and preset buy and sell orders when I feel it is right to do so.

-Enjoy life and life will enjoy you!

-May life be your ally!

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