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Housing-Market / China Economy Oct 03, 2010 - 03:36 AM GMT

By: PhilStockWorld

Housing-Market Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleInteresting story there [at Zero Hedge].  China has created a monster for itself that has already begun to turn on its master, and will one day devour it. The basic premise of economic growth in China is unsustainable. The government is trying various ways of forcing other economies to import more Chinese goods. But the saturation point has pretty much already been met. Now they are trying more artificial ways to stimulate foreign consumption, e.g. via currency manipulations.


What China is NOT doing is developing a consumer-based economy that can buy its own products (I mean, products that are largely controlled by Western companies, but manufactured in China, so these are in many cases not "Chinese" products at all). Right now, consumption in China accounts for only 30% of GDP, which is the lowest in the world. Moreover, this proportion is getting worse, not better. This is partly because of government policies re exceedingly low interest rates, which essentially systematically transfers wealth from the vast lower and middle classes into the upper class, and so pulls the rug out from under domestic consumption. Partly it is because of the gigantic stimulus package in China, which in terms of percent of GDP just dwarfs Obama’s stimulus package. That, combined with free money policy in China, merely diverts huge amounts of capital into doomed markets: stocks and real estate.

The stock market has already collapsed. This began back in early October 2007, and now the Chinese equities markets are 3 years into what will eventually be a 30 year+ recovery from the collapse of that bubble. You heard me right: it will be AT LEAST a quarter century before Chinese stocks again reach the October 2007 highs in real RMB terms, and it could be significantly longer.

We know this from previous post-bubble market behavior. To cite just one example, the NDX is currently over 10 years post-bubble collapse. At that time, QQQQ was trading at around $115. The highest QQQQ has gotten since that time was $54 in late October 2007. This peak is -53% below the March 2000 highs. Now, QQQQ is again approaching these same levels. As of today’s close, QQQQ is now -57% off the March 2000 peak. We see quite similar behavior after other bubble collapses as well: after an index or market collapses, it loses around 85% of its value, then trades in a range defined by the -55% line and the -85% line for several decades. There may be fleeting overshoots a bit above and below these lines, but these are always short-lived. Eventually, it breaks out of that trading channel to the upside, but in real-currency terms, the break even point is usually closer to 40 years down the road from the peak, or maybe even more. Right now, the Shanghai Composite is trading at about -55% compared to the peak in late 2007. So the Chinese stock markets are doomed, and on a long-term basis (months to years) very shortable right now, IMHO, simply because they are trading very near the top of their long-term trading range.

Now we are just waiting for the other shoe to drop in the real estate markets. The question is not IF that will happen, it is WHEN. I suspect that will be the beginning of the end of China’s economic rise for many decades. While they founder, they will have to do some serious re-engineering of their entire economy, and replace an unsustainable juggernaut with a sustainable model that is in synch with global growth rates and demand. Obviously, double-digit growth is completely unsustainable, even if you believe that actual growth is only a fraction of the perennially overly-rosy statistics reported by the Chinese government.

China can forestall this in various ways, for example they could increase minimum wage to stimulate consumption. They talk a lot about increasing internal consumption, but unfortunately never really do anything significant about that except to say that it is their goal. The problem is that in order to increase internal consumption, capital must be re-directed away from the big boys’ vacuum cleaners, and that’s just not gonna happen. IMHO.  There is just far too much institutionalized corruption that is not going to go away, even if there were a significant desire to make it go away (which there isn’t). The consequences of these economic policies and lack of action to materially increase domestic consumption, combined with rampant unemployment and other stresses, will eventually cost the CCP its job, and the Chinese government will then undergo a complete overhaul in the coming decades. Most likely, this will be quite violent; the CCP has shown again and again that it is inflexible and ruthless when it comes to anything that even sounds like a threat to their complete, unquestioned dominance.

Gordon Chang, a Forbes economist, has specialized on the Chinese economy for many years.  He is the author of the book The Coming Collapse of China. He also asserts many of these notions and I think he is right on. For example, see China: Economic Juggernaut or Overinflated Bubble?, and Chang’s interview with Aaron Task:

“Is China an unstoppable economic juggernaut or an overinflated bubble ready to burst?

“That question is one of the most important long-term macro issues facing policymakers, politicians and pundits - as well as anyone else who cares about the global economy.

“Right now, China is BOTH an economic juggernaut and a bubble, says Gordon Chang, a Forbes columnist, who sees two major problems with China:

“Overstimulated: At $1.1 trillion, China’s 2009 stimulus amounted to about 24% of GDP, far in excess on that basis vs. President Obama’s $787 billion program, which was about 5.5% of U.S. GDP. Such huge government expenditures "created enormous imbalances and dislocations," Chang says. While the Shanghai Composite has descended after its 2009 stimulus-fueled rocket-ride, China’s real estate market has not, he notes.

“Locked at the Hip: China’s economy cannot "decouple" from the West, particularly the U.S., Chang says. As discussed here, China runs a net trade deficit with the world, ex-America, and its $145 billion trade “surplus with the U.S. is greater than the U.S. deficit with the next seven-largest trading partners combined.”


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"The Coming Collapse of China" lays out the case for China’s demise. In 2001, Chang predicted this would happen in about 10 years, but so far I think the ignition point is still years away. Mostly that’s because in 2001, the Chinese government did not have the resources to significantly forestall its demise but, since then, it acquired those resources and put them to use in propping things up and trying to keep things afloat, e.g. through gigantic stimulus packages that just fueled investments and speculations in the stock, bond, commodity, and real estate markets. That’s the only reason that post-bubble implosion, the Shanghai composite temporarily rallied through the upper boundary of the typical post-bubble implosion trading range (again, that range being -55% to -85%). The November 2008 Chinese stimulus package was about 4 trillion RMB, which is about 3 times the size of the US stimulus package, after adjusting for the size of the respective economies.

That huge stimulus package combined with free money policies and the government’s intentional efforts to promote huge loans, resulted in the Shanghai Composite moving from 1747 (-70% off the peak of the bubble) to over 3400 in 8 months (-43% off the peak of the bubble). That 3400 reading was therefore a stimulus-driven anomaly that caused an artificial violation of the post-bubble implosion trading range, which will be -55% to -85% (or more). That overshoot beyond the -55% line lasted 11 months. The index dropped below the -55% line in May of this year, and has remained there ever since. It has tested the -55% line three times, and each time was turned away. This also prevented the index from collapsing down to reach its bottom, which I predict will be 900 to 1000. I can’t say WHEN this low will be reached; I can only say that it WILL be reached, some time in the next 20 years or so. Anyhow, here’s some info on Gordon Chang and his book:

http://www.gordonchang.com/collapse.htm

Chang has long produced incisive (but definitely not mainstream) insights into Chinese society, economics, and politics. One example is below, and I think this societal shift will eventually synergize with the major economic changes developing in China. The government has pulled out most of the stops to prevent this, believing that it CAN be prevented; I think it cannot. The only possible resolution that I can see is a drastic reworking of Chinese politics and economy, and you can bet the CCP won’t just lie down and submit:

“The [Chinese Communist] party, after Tiananmen, had no real choice but to permit the Chinese people to continue to remake their nation, and the most far-reaching change was the undoing of Mao Zedong’s extreme social engineering. Mao had consolidated the power of the Communist party by dividing up the Chinese people into small units and isolating each of those units from others. In the countryside, he created self-contained communes. In the city, he built state-owned enterprises. Separated from one another, the Chinese people had no real way to challenge Mao’s one-party state.

“Now, however, the Chinese people are building businesses and organizations that span the country, and they are getting in touch with each other as China modernizes. And today on the internet and in other forums, the Chinese are having national conversations. As a result, citizens with common grievances are beginning to act in unison, and this poses a challenge of the first order to the regime. China at this moment may be changing faster than any other nation. And it is not the party that is leading change; it is the Chinese people demanding it.

“The Communist party has slowly evolved since Tiananmen, but the society it leads is remaking itself at great speed. The consequence of this dynamic is uncontrollable change, and uncontrollable change means that one day China will be free.”  (The Most Important Legacy of Tiananmen, National Review Online, Gordon Chang)

Courtesy of Terry Doherty (personal correspondence)

By Phil

www.philstockworld.com

Philip R. Davis is a founder of Phil's Stock World (www.philstockworld.com), a stock and options trading site that teaches the art of options trading to newcomers and devises advanced strategies for expert traders. Mr. Davis is a serial entrepreneur, having founded software company Accu-Title, a real estate title insurance software solution, and is also the President of the Delphi Consulting Corp., an M&A consulting firm that helps large and small companies obtain funding and close deals. He was also the founder of Accu-Search, a property data corporation that was sold to DataTrace in 2004 and Personality Plus, a precursor to eHarmony.com. Phil was a former editor of a UMass/Amherst humor magazine and it shows in his writing -- which is filled with colorful commentary along with very specific ideas on stock option purchases (Phil rarely holds actual stocks). Visit: Phil's Stock World (www.philstockworld.com)

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