Best of the Week
DEFLATION is Winning! - Watch the Video its FREE
Most Popular of the Week
1.Cap and Trade Bill HR 2454 Will Lead to Capital Flight - Dr_Ron_Paul
2.Goldman Sachs The Fourth Branch of the U.S. Government- Graham_Summers
3.The Coming Economic Apocalypse- Roy_F_Grieder
4.The End of the Recession?- John_Mauldin
5.Bernanke is a Total Failure Unsuited for Role as Fed Chairman- Mike_Shedlock
6.Fed Market Manipulation, Surmounting The Main Threat To Profits And Protection -DeepCaster_LLC
7.China Mega-trend Stocks Stealth Bull Market Update, SSEC Up 47%- Nadeem_Walayat
Weeks Analysis
A Political-economic Oligarchy has Taken Over the United States of America- 4th July 09
SNP Would Bankrupt an Independent Scotland, But Benefit England - 4th July 09
Green Shoots of Economic Recovery and Other Bernanke Lies - 4th July 09
HyperInflation or Deflation Depression, Which is More Probable?- 4th July 09
Current Recession Is a Severe Credit Bust of Depression-Era Magnitude- 4th July 09
"Super Imperialism:" The Economic Strategy of Imperial America- 3rd July 09
The Smart Grid Will Offer Exceptional Investing Opportunities- 3rd July 09
Inflationary Crack-up Boom has Commenced in the G7 Economies!- 3rd July 09
Yen Carry Trade Suggests Global Stock Markets Base Building Underway- 3rd July 09
Silver Stocks and ETF - 3rd July 09
A Message for Armchair Economists- 3rd July 09
The Keynesian System, the Economics of Illusion- 3rd July 09
U.S. Housing Market Recovery Process Outlook- 3rd July 09
Japanese Yen: Resumption of the Bull Market ? - 3rd July 09
What’s Happening in Crude Oil?- 3rd July 09
Temporary Bounce in EUR/GBP Now Possible- 3rd July 09
Silver Response to Inflation and Deflation the United States - 3rd July 09
Economic Recovery Green Shoots Doused with Herbicide- 3rd July 09
U.S. Economy Economic Recovery Achilles Heel- 3rd July 09
U.S. Unemployment Soars Whilst Fed Funnels More Cash to the Banksters- 3rd July 09
Challenges and Enormous Opportunities in Alternative Energy- 3rd July 09
Listen to Citigroup Analysts at Your Own Peril- 3rd July 09
DEFLATION Video Antidote to the Mainstream Inflation Consensus- 3rd July 09
U.S. Economy Heading for Japan of the 1990's or Argentina 2002?- 2nd July 09
Profiting From Stock Market Sector Dead Cat Bounces- 2nd July 09
Basic Financial Markets Analysis Part2- 2nd July 09
U.S. Unemployment Rate Hits 9.5%, Jobs Contract 18th Straight Month- 2nd July 09
In the Future, Interest Rates Will Soar and Consumers Will be Sore Also- 2nd July 09
Preserve Your Wealth with Precious Metals- 2nd July 09
Understanding The Dangers of Leveraged ETFs- 2nd July 09
Stock Market Seasonality What is Going to Happen with the Upcoming July 4th Holiday?- 2nd July 09
China Wants New Global Currency Which is Positive for Gold- 2nd July 09
The DJIA Stock Market Index, Chess and the Idiotic Robots - 2nd July 09
Stock Market and Dollar Upward Wedge Patterns - Signs of the times- 2nd July 09
Stock Markets Jump Out Of The Gate Before Fading- 2nd July 09
Commodities Sector Timing Trading for Gold, Oil, Silver and Natural Gas - 2nd July 09
Asia-Pacific Economies Grow As Developed Economies Wither- 2nd July 09
Million Dollar Question, What's Next for S&P 500 Stock Market Index - 2nd July 09
Will China Lead the World Out of Recession?- 2nd July 09
Make Bernie Madoff the Next Fed Chairman- 2nd July 09
U.S. Treasury Bond Market Update- 2nd July 09
U.S. Housing Market Blast From the Past- 2nd July 09
U.S. Launches Offensive Operations in Cyberspace (CYBERCOM)- 1st July 09
Rising Financial Markets See Brighter Times- 1st July 09
The Magic of the Golden Cross-Over Signal in Gold, Silver and Huey- 1st July 09
Faber & Greenspan: Shills for Fed Snake Oil on Deflation and Hyperinflation- 1st July 09
Walls to Block U.S. Deflation- 1st July 09
Banks Squeeze Credit Card Account Holders- 1st July 09
Is George Soros Long or Wrong on the Global Economic Rebound?- 1st July 09
How to Profit From Japan's Stock Market Shareholder Crisis- 1st July 09
The Case for Economic Depression, Credit Destruction - 1st July 09
Warning of Severe Economic Collapse, Mainstream Media Sustainable Recovery Hype- 1st July 09
Great Banking Confusion - 1st July 09
Stock Market S&P 500 Index Trend Update for July 2009- 1st July 09
Stock Market Ends Second Quarter With a Whimper- 1st July 09
Investment Grade Bonds Return 9.2%, Junk Returns 29%- 1st July 09
The Great Bank Robbery: How the Federal Reserve is destroying Americ- 1st July 09
Is Inflation a Fact… Or Just An Opinion? Part1- 1st July 09
Is America Broke- 1st July 09
U.S. Housing Market Deteriorates as Foreclosures Soar- 1st July 09
Lawrence Roulston: Every Reason in the World to Believe Gold Will Go Higher- 1st July 09
Is the U.S. Fed Juicing the Stock Market?- 30th June 09
Gold Breakout Above $1,000 Only a Question of Time- 30th June 09
U.S. House Prices Have Bottomed - 30th June 09
How to Improve Your FICO Credit Rating Score- 30th June 09
The Case Against Hyper Inflation- 30th June 09
Which Tek Stock is a Better Investment, Apple vs. RIMM - 30th June 09
Obama: Wrong on the Economy, Wrong on Healthcare (Part 1)- 30th June 09
What Happened to the Stock Market New Goldilocks Era?- 30th June 09
Inflationary Pressures and the MAE Faber Investment Strategy- 30th June 09
Goldman Sachs The Fourth Branch of the U.S. Government- 30th June 09
OECD Joins the UK Double Dip Recession Forecast Club- 30th June 09
Summer Sun Shines on Rising UK House Prices in June- 30th June 09
The Real Crisis is Beginning to Unfold… and It’s Not Financial Part2- 30th June 09
A 20-Year Stocks Bear Market?- 30th June 09
Objective Analysis of the Increase in the Fed's Balance Sheet - 29th June 09
Green Shoots Recovery Forex Markets Fatigue & Intermarket Setup- 29th June 09
Government Regulations to Force Agricultural Food Prices Higher- 29th June 09
Power Shortage at the U.S. Fed?- 29th June 09
Crude Oil and Natural Gas Trading- 29th June 09
Stock Market Summer Crash Forecast- 29th June 09
This Summer May Prove Hot for Gold Prices Despite the Weak Seasonal Tendencies- 29th June 09
U.S. Jump in Savings Rates Means Debt Deflation in America- 29th June 09
CNBC Admits to Manipulated Market that Continues To Be Propped Up By Government Intervention - 29th June 09
Important Week Ahead For Economic Data- 29th June 09
Where to Find Jobs in a Jobless Economic Recovery- 29th June 09
Bernanke is a Total Failure Unsuited for Role as Fed Chairman- 29th June 09
Stock Index Trading Signals Update- 29th June 09
Public Sector Pensions Deficit of £1.2 trillion Adds to Britains Debt Crisis- 29th June 09
Energy Fields in Gold and How to Trade Them- 29th June 09
GLD, SLV, USO & UNG ETF Commodity Trading Update- 29th June 09
Manipulated Financial Markets and Mainstream Media- 28th June 09
Ben Bernanke on the Great Depression- 28th June 09
Honest Money Gold & Silver Report - Market Wrap W/E 26th July- 28th June 09
What PIMCO's Bill Gross Doesn’t Want You to Know (Part 2)- 28th June 09
The Coming Economic Apocalypse- 28th June 09
SHEPHERD’S of Financial Markets ILLUSION- 28th June 09
Global Stock Market Performance and P/E Ratio Valuations- 28th June 09
Global Business Sentiment Improves Inline with Stock Market Trends- 28th June 09
The Possibility of Credit Collapse Deflation - 28th June 09
The Inflation Deflation Debate and Myth of the Kondratieff Wave- 28th June 09
China Mega-trend Stocks Stealth Bull Market Update, SSEC Up 47%- 28th June 09
Embrace Deflation - It's The Cure, Not The Problem- 27th June 09
The Stock Markets Repeating Weekly Pattern- 27th June 09
Dow Jones INDU On-Balance-Volume Stock Market Sell Signal - 27th June 09
The End of the Recession?- 27th June 09
Has the Stock Market Peaked for 2009? - 27th June 09
Stock Market Trading Range Continues...Bullish Pattern Holds Potential- 27th June 09
What PIMCO's Bill Gross Doesn’t Want You to Know (Part 1) - 27th June 09
Why Higher Gold Prices Will Come- 27th June 09
A Case For U.S. Treasury Bonds!- 27th June 09
Fed Market Manipulation, Surmounting The Main Threat To Profits And Protection- 27th June 09
How the Media Uses Buffett to Make Money- 27th June 09

Free Instant Analysis

Free Instant Technical Analysis


Market Oracle FREE Newsletter

Most Popular 2009
1. Depression 2009 The Largest Train Wreck in Economic History - Darryl_R_Schoon (41,747)
2.UK Housing Market Crash and Depression Forecast 2007 to 2012 - Nadeem_Walayat (34,233)
3. Emerging Giants Russia, China, Brazil and India Looming Collapse 2009 - Martin Weiss (29,977)
4. Baby Boomers- Your Generation's Crisis Has Arrived - James Quinn (26,442)
5. Ten Major Threats Facing the U.S. Dollar in 2009 - Eric_deCarbonnel (26,023)
6. Nouriel Roubini 2009 U.S. GDP Forecasting 40% Home Mortgage Failures? - Andrew_Butter (24,711)
7. Stock Market Crash 2009: Fine Tuning DJIA Target To 5,800 - Eric_Chevrette (23,492)
8. US, UK, Eurozone Banks Face Collapse: Global Banking System Insolvent - Mike_Shedlock (21,114)
9. UK CPI Inflation, RPI Deflation Forecast 2009 - Nadeem_Walayat (20,821)
10.Gold Price Forecast 2009 - Nadeem_Walayat (20,317)
11. Stock Market Crash Red Alert: Meltdown Imminent! - Martin Weiss (19,648)
12.Fed Manipulating Market Prices, Gold, Oil and Bonds - Rob_Kirby (19,219)
13. The Great Depression has Arrived- Collapsing American Dreams - David_Vaughn (19,054)
14. Stock Market to Fall AT LEAST Another 40%! - Martin Weiss (18,963)
15. Hyperinflation Begining in China and Will Destroy the U.S. Dollar - Eric_deCarbonnel (18,651)
Most Popular 2008
1. The Great Depression 2008 - It can't happen to us....can it?”
2. The Battle for America Has Begun- Strategic Forecasts
3. UK House Prices Plunge Over the Cliff
4. US Banking System Teetering on the Brink of Collapse
5. US Economy Forecast 2008 - First Recession then Recovery
6. How Safe is My FDIC-Insured Bank Account?
7. Rising Risk of a Systemic Financial Meltdown:The 12 Steps to Financial Disaster By Nouriel Roubini
Most Popular 2007
1. US Housing Market Crash to result in the Second Great Depression
2. Operation FALCON - The USA is turning into a Police State
3. UK Housing Market Crash of 2007 - 2008 and Steps to Protect Your Wealth
4. US Housing Bubble Meltdown: "Is it too late to get out"?
5. Global Liquidity Crisis when the Credit Boom comes to an End
Most Popular 2006
1. Last Warning! Three-Pronged Collapse ... Stocks, Bonds and Real Estate
2. UK Interest Rate forecast for 2007 - Bank of England to do battle with inflation
3. UK Interest Rates Forecast to rise much higher due to rising Inflation and high Money Supply Growth
4. Emerging Markets outlook for 2007 - India, China, Russia, Eastern Europe and Brazil

News Feeds
RSS Feeds
Links

Money Forums
Certz
TradingTheCharts
Housing Market Forecasts
Local Issues


Deflation IS WINNING - Are You?

Global Financial Crisis Worst Since 1930's Depression

Stock-Markets / Credit Crisis 2008 Jul 20, 2008 - 05:49 AM

By: William_R_Thomson

Stock-Markets

Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleQ: Are we looking at a financial system "avalanche" rather than a technical bear market, in equities and bonds?

A: In no way can this be seen as a normal bear market. This is undoubtedly the worst financial crisis in the developed world since the 1930s. The only period remotely similar was the bear market of 1973-75, which was itself a part of the extended 1966-82 bear market in US shares. That bear market was driven in part by a 13 fold increase in oil prices from 1972 to 1980. This time we have had a 14 fold increase in oil prices from the $10 low of 1999. Last time we had massive inflation of 20 percent per annum. That has not yet arrived but may well be in the pipeline.


However, in my view, the situation is far worse this time since the US financial system is extraordinarily stretched and stressed. Last time we only had the minor bankruptcies of Franklin National Bank and Continental Bank to contend with. Then there were no derivatives. This time they amount to more than 10 times world GDP and a greater multiple of bank capital. Within that total the most toxic ones are those unlisted, opaque, over the counter variety amounting to over $50 trillion, again multiples of US bank capital.

The revolution in market finance that began with the deregulation of the 1980s may be about to eat its young, as we have seen with the putative bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; if nationalization goes ahead the US visible national debt increases by $5 billion and is effectively double. The US would no longer qualify to join the Euro!

The US budget deficit could be on the verge of exploding upwards. Including war costs it is already over 4 percent of GDP. The economic slowdown and President Obama's plans for healthcare, whist noble and justifiable, even after tax increases, could send the deficit north of $1 trillion or 7 percent of GDP by 2010.

Q: What do you think the total "wealth loss" might be as a result of recent crises (in terms of falls in market cap, sub-prime losses and other losses by banks and investment banks, derivatives market losses in general)? Does anyone really know - or is the whole thing too opaque to estimate?

When Chou En-Lai was asked by Kissinger if he thought the French Revolution had been a success he responded ‘it's too soon to tell'. That applies to the current situation. But we could be looking at $6 trillion in mark downs of housing wealth, $3-4 trillion in stock market losses if we get a 25-35 percent mark down in the market – and it could be worse – and then we have the losses of the banking system. So we are talking about possibly $10 trillion as compared with a GDP of $13 trillion. Proportionally, I would look for the UK to suffer similarly. It's not chicken feed!

Q: Do you think that inflation or deflation is the greatest threat facing the global e conomy - i.e. commodity price inflation versus the collapse in asset values (real estate and stocks etc).

This is the great debate. The losses are deflationary but the monetary and fiscal policies are hugely inflationary. So far the secondary effects of wage inflation are the dogs that have not barked yet, but the unions are clearly getting restive in Europe and the pressures are so intense on US wage earners that it surely must just be a matter of time before they try and restore some of their lost incomes.

Ultimately, governments never repay their debts in real terms. I look for the US to try and inflate its way out of its mess whilst, all the time, denying it is happening and quoting the manipulated inflation data. But one only needs to look at the private estimates of M3 growth to see that it has been growing at 18 percent per annum, double what it was when they stopped publishing the information and double the worst time in the stagflationary 1970s.

Q: How safe is US government debt as an investment now, given the stress of financing financial system bail-outs?

You will be repaid in US dollars with less purchasing power than when you subscribed. Whilst this crisis continues and the management of the White House and the Fed remain unchanged, the US dollar is a poor bet and a worse investment.

Q: What is the safest thing to "hold onto" in this avalanche - gold, other commodities, cash etc?

Gold, in my opinion, is the asset of last resort. It is no one else's liability and has shown its value in crises over the millennia. That situation remains unchanged. It is still cheap relative to oil on a historical basis and is only 40 percent of its all time high on an inflation adjusted basis. New supplies coming onto the markets are constrained by high costs and a lack of mining skills after a generation when no new graduates entered the sector.

Given the global geopolitical tensions added to the banking crisis, gold remains a superb insurance policy. Before the present cycle exhausts itself I would not be surprised to see gold reach all time highs on an inflation adjusted basis i.e., $2500.

Silver is also interesting here since it is a minor precious metal with expanding industrial applications. On an inflation adjusted basis it is even cheaper than gold.

There are an ever expanding range of instruments to tap the commodity space with ETFs and ETNs - long and short. There are also natural resource funds of hedge funds.

Q: Amongst equities and bonds, what (if anything) is there to go for now? Emerging markets versus advanced markets?

I believe we are entering a new phase in the global economy, one with increased government regulation, controls and spending. The old Thatcher-Reagan supply side revolution is likely to take a breather and a return to a modified Keynesian is a possibility. This is driven by the increased scepticism in developed economies about globalization, largely because the rewards have not been adequately distributed. This accords with the likelihood that the 36 year cycle in US Presidential elections will probably make the Democrats the leading party of government in the coming years with all that means for interference in the economy – and inflation.

The extent to which the growing scepticism of globalization in developed economies affects the future growth of emerging markets cannot be determined at this time. At the margins growth may be reduced slightly but the fundamental factors changing the shape of the global economy are too strong to be derailed. Emerging markets remain a field of great opportunity, especially after recent declines in countries like China, India and Vietnam. Others with essential commodities are exciting. Powered by Chinese and Indian investment, Africa could have a renaissance. Those with financial imbalances like those in Eastern Europe should be avoided.

By William R. Thomson
Chairman
Private Capital Ltd.
Hong Kong 
wrthomson@btconnect.com

Disclaimer: The above is a matter of opinion provided for general information purposes only and is not intended as investment advice. Information and analysis above are derived from sources and utilising methods believed to be reliable, but we cannot accept responsibility for any trading losses you may incur as a result of this analysis. Individuals should consult with their personal financial advisors before engaging in any trading activities.

William R. Thomson Archive


Comments

Allen Wood
20 Jul 08, 13:54
Just where is this financial crisis?

I live in Reisterstown Maryland, and this is not Rodeo Drive, and I see no signs of economic collapse. Just where is this depression anyway. IT is and has been business as usual in my area, and we are not millionaires here. I'm tired of hearing un-justified gloom and doom when the sky is absolutely not falling.

What gives, and why always about the collapse of the U.S. economy?


Dave
20 Jul 08, 17:40
See the Crash

For those that can not see the crash, it is because you are listening to cia news and don't get the facts.

you are living on borrowed money and don't feel the pinch

in essence you live in a bubble.

inflation arrives soon and will be a tidal wave that will sink many.


Rick Cowlishaw
01 Aug 08, 16:45
oil peak
There are several assumptions to the future predictions
Peak Oil is real and imminent; worldwide oil production is unlikely to ever exceed 85 million barrels per day and we are on the front edge of the top peak of oil production. Once at Peak, oil production will be at a plateau for some period (about 4 to 6 years), during which the possibility for further production increases will be argued but do not happen. Once the decline in oil production starts, it will drop by about 3 percent a year.

There is no viable alternative to oil, at least in the short term, and will take a minimum of 15 years to develop an alternative and produce vehicles that use this alternative.

That the decline in oil production will have serious negative economic consequences to all countries, especially those that are most dependent on oil.

The US oil companies cannot get additional oil from new wells on line until 2018 (10 years) at the earliest, and the amount would not be enough to either change the then current market price much or provide enough oil to make much of a difference. This is based on reports from Energy Information Agency EIA for both the Artic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) and National Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). Therefore we staring a deep depression in the face.


Post Comment (Moderated)




(Note: If on Submitting you are returned to the Main Index Page then due to caching your comment has not been accepted, Press refresh and try again)

Free Credit Crisis Survival Toolkit