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Why You Should NOT Sub4Sub Free Youtube Subscribers - YTpals, Subpals, SubmeNow Test Results

Companies / Google Feb 23, 2018 - 07:27 PM GMT

By: N_Walayat


On the 20th of January Youtube decided to cut all small channels loose from their partner programme, all those channels with less than 1000 subscribers and 4k watch time who by the 20th of February were ejected from the Youtube partner programme that amongst several benefits included monetization of videos which in most cases for Youtubers resulted in a token return of typically about $5-$10 per month. So the blow for being ejected from the youtube partner programme was not financial but rather Youtube effectively telling its smaller youtubers to get lost

Nevertheless, Youtube's announcement galvanised Youtubers to try and meet Youtube's new minimum threshold, by trying to gain subscribers via sub4sub which basically involves subscribing to other youtube channels in exchange for a subscribe to their own channel that many new youtubers tend to do by leaving a message such as "Hi, I subscribed to your channel now please subscribe to mine in return"

This soon brings youtubers to the FREE Youtube subscriber services which are websites such as, and amongst about a dozen others.

The free youtube subscriber sites work by basically offering 1 free subscriber for every 2 subscribes made to other youtube channels through their sites. The sites then sell on the extra subscribes to paying customers. So if one signed upto 100 channels, then one would expect to receive 50 subscribes in return.

But just how reliable are these sites in delivering on their promises, do you actually get 1 for 2 or is the ratio far off on their sales pitch?

To find out we TESTED the 3 services mentioned, to see what would happen if we subscribed to hundreds of channels through their sites over a 3 week period with the specifications of what the services demanded and promised being: : Subscribe and like 20 or 30 channels to get 10 or 15 in return over the next 24 hours. One use per 24 hours. : Subscribe 20 and like 40 and get 20 subscribes in the next 12 hours. Can use this service twice in 24 hours. : Subscribe 20 and like 40 and get 20 subscribes in the next 24 hours. Can use this service twice in 24 hours, and virtually identical to YTPal.coms

But firstly as a control to our experiment the following channel over the same time period gained its subscribers naturally i.e. we did not pursue ANY sub4sub free subscribers so ALL of the subscriptions were gained naturally through users watching the videos and then choosing to subscribe or not.

The natural channel gained a total of 166 subscribers over the 3 week time period, losing 12 and thus ending with a net gain of 154. Therefore the channel had a net erosion rate of 8% of new subscribers gained.

Now the following is the graph from a channel where we subscribed to over 1200 channels both manually i.e. requesting for a sub4sub and through heavy use of the aforementioned free YouTube subscriber services.

The subscription services roughly promised 1 free sub for every sub made therefore the minimum expectations WERE to gain 600 subs. The actual total number gained was 515. However here is a further fly in the ointment. Most of the free subscribers FAILED to stick, in fact most tended to UNSUBSCRIBE within a few hours of subscribing as the graph clearly illustrates.

So of 515 subscribers gained, the channel LOST 268 subscribers, resulting in an erosion rate of 52% of new subscribers gained that is likely to worsen over the coming days, weeks and months. Which effectively makes the whole exercise of pursuing FREE subscribers WORTHLESS, as they JUST FAIL TO STICK!

So whilst the free youtube subscriber services did deliver subscribers, however the actual net number received was nowhere near that which they purported to deliver, only about 1/3rd. Which means if you subscribe to 1000 channels you will likely to end up with about 180 net subscribes instead of the expected 500, which is a huge difference!

Digging deeper reveals why this could be happening to the sub4sub subscriptions as Youtube limits the number of channels most small channels can subscribe to approx 2000. So it clearly means that those who continue to use these services to gain free exchange subscribers after reaching 2000 have to keep un subscribing from channels which is the Achilles heel for these services, as the quality of subscribers they are offering to their free users at least is frankly rubbish, unreliable as the erosion in subscriber count illustrates. Youtube also plays some part in the equation of removing dubious subscribers. As well as disappointed users who just give up and unsubscribe on mass having learned their lesson that sub4sub just does not work.

So yes, whilst you can gain some free subscribers, the actual number and quality of subscribers received tends to be very poor. Which means if for instance one is thinking one can go from 100 to 1000 subscribers through use of these services, then that is just never going to happen as you will hit your maximum channels number long before you even get to 400 let alone the 1000 target, and then you can sit back and watch your subscriber count evaporate over the coming days, weeks and months.

Furthermore you also end up ruining your youtube experience as now your home page is clogged up with garbage that you have no intension's of ever watching as a consequence all of your hundreds of subscribes and likes.

The bottom line there is no short cut to gaining subscribers, and the path the free services offer involves a lot of hard work for ultimately very little permanent reward, as the free subscribes just don't tend to stick with half un subscribing within a few hours after subscribing, and it remains to be seen how many of the rest evaporate over the coming days, weeks and months.

Similarly it is just not worth youtubers contacting channels themselves and asking for an exchange sub for in the long-run that is likely to be just as unreliable as the free subscriber exchange services.

So I am afraid the only effective way to gain Youtube subscribers is to produce regular quality content. Which is what all youtubers should concentrate on. Produce quality content and upload regularly and the subscribers will come. THAT IS THE LESSON LEARNED FROM THIS EXPERIMENT!

By Nadeem Walayat

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Nadeem Walayat has over 30 years experience of trading derivatives, portfolio management and analysing the financial markets, including one of few who both anticipated and Beat the 1987 Crash. Nadeem's forward looking analysis focuses on UK inflation, economy, interest rates and housing market. He is the author of five ebook's in the The Inflation Mega-Trend and Stocks Stealth Bull Market series that can be downloaded for Free.

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